i would suppose that there are many at very sensitive operations at headquarters and around the world that are moles or double agents a 5th column if you will that are in but mentally out and full of hated for the governing body.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fifth_column.
a fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favour of an enemy group or nation.
the activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine.
CC - good to see you and so sorry to hear about the tough times you are going through. Many if not most here can relate to your feelings. Considering all the things you are having to deal with, I'm hoping that you are receiving or will consider receiving some professional help. This cult is so destructive in so many different ways that it can seem like there's no good way out. Don't let them win!
PS - I tell myself that every day. Some days are definitely better than others.
so i have the username and password to my grandfathers jw.org account - who is an elder.
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just incase, you guys would want something i could try to get it to you..
LOL - really Brian? They should have deleted you as an admin prior to the announcement anyway. Did they expect you to keep doing stuff?
i know we cannot answer this, how many are physically in, mentally out (pimo), but i heard an amazing piece of news the other day.. an ex-p.o and ex-elder, a long time regular pioneer, and when i knew him a stalwart believer, went for a drink with another jw who has actually left, but is not df or anything.. in the course of conversation he came out with this bombshell "well, i am actually an atheist now, i just go along to keep my wife happy".. i also heard of a number of youngsters that i know personally who are simply living their life as they want, whilst making sure they don't get df'd for family and social reasons.. if as it seems the pimo's are a huge number, could there be a huge " awakening" where they all realize they are in a huge group, and they all say " eff it, lets call it a day on all the jw s**t ".
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wishful thinking, but.....just possible ?.
I often wonder how many are like me as I sit there. I suspect a few in the congregation but haven't broached the subject. Still, I think there are more POMI than PIMO. The cult programming is strong.
i posted this on r/exjw, but i thought i might post it here as well.
so the elders in our kh are moving to get us to sign new simplified blood cards and keep them on file.
i really need to not rock the boat in my current pimo status because of circumstances.. my cousin knows i have doubts about the blood thing, but i can’t show her that my doubts are getting to me.
Delay, say you need to do research on acceptable "fractions" if pressed. Or keep "forgetting". They will likely move on to the next thing soon enough. The WTS keeps those elders so busy that in my experience, follow-up isn't that good.
when i watch a tv show or movie or even a ball game, i don’t want to be deluged with matters involving politics.
entertainers and sports heros should stick to doing what people pay them for.
entertain us and just do your job!.
Agree, I look to entertainment as an escape from that sort of stuff. Right/left doesn't really matter. Sure, they are entitled to their opinions as am I. But, no one cares what I think and I certainly don't care what they think.
https://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/34840-what-does-the-bible-say-about-dinosaurs/.
amazing how many words can be expended discussing things that people have utterly no clue about..
I've seen better scientific speculation among 1st graders!
let's call him "dave".. dave: hello?.
dave: we dont have to tell you how she is.
dave: <her mother> has custody.
No you aren't overreacting in the least. What a screwed up cult. I'm in the US, so no idea regarding UK legal options but I'd have to believe that between you and your ex, you could restrict the grandparents visitation.
guess some introduction would be nice, before anything.
i’m a 17 year old men boy raised on a very liberal, highly intelectualized jw family.
currently very anxious on starting medical school at a high ranked public university around here.
May I ask you how it is to be PIMO?
Not fun! Certainly the people in the congregation have pulled away from us, so there's not much socializing. I'm pretty sure many realize I don't believe because I never comment, never talk about JW things at the kingdom hall and I'm sure give off the body language that I'd rather be anywhere else. I don't recommend it as a long term strategy. Especially if your immediate family won't shun you.
Well, here is the thing: he has been incentivizing me and my sister this whole time to go to uni! He comes from a difficult background and he recognizes the value of education. All the family was very happy with my approval to study Medicine.
That's really awesome! Good luck in your studies!
guess some introduction would be nice, before anything.
i’m a 17 year old men boy raised on a very liberal, highly intelectualized jw family.
currently very anxious on starting medical school at a high ranked public university around here.
Your English is fantastic! May I ask what brought you here? FYI - born in as well, was an elder, have a family and PIMO (physically in, mentally out). In other words, I attend a congregation but don't believe in JW.
Your reasons for being dissatisfied make sense. You certainly aren't seeing the bad side of the religion due to your parents (likely also born in) being reasonable.
Way too soon to talk about leaving or not. Are your parent open to you getting a university education?
my turning point: serving on a child abuse judicial case.
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Straw that broke the camel's back was the whole UN thing. But, as in many of the responses, it was lots of little things that simply were too much and I had to take an honest look. Once I did so, I quickly realized that it was all bs
